• Burn Goblin

    As I mentioned on our latest podcast show notes, Gevlon Goblin broke contract with Noir. and abused his trust as a repeat customer to scam us. We have given him numerous opportunities to do the right thing and honor his commitments. Instead, he's gone down the path of least common sense and tried to invent a story about us scamming him somehow.

    So I guess we're blog posting now. Long post below, tldr is Goblin's a scammer, is trying desperately to cover himself, and the full mails+killboard links are included below

    It's well known that Noir. keeps excellent records when it comes to our contracts, whether on the killboard or on our contract history which has spanned over 8 years of reliable service. Whether you think Goblin didn't figure that would extend to contract negotiations or doesn't care about facts/reality probably depends on what you think of Goblin himself. But we DO keep excellent contract records, for *exactly* this reason.

    When you break contract with us, you lose all rights to confidentiality and will be exposed as the jackass you are. The EVE mercenary community does not have patience for employers that try to screw over their mercs. Gevlon got mad that word has been spreading about his shady dealings. He'd probably be really upset if I dumped our entire conversation into the public eye:

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Burn Jita minicontract
    From: Gevlon Goblin
    Sent: 2014.04.25 04:37
    To: Alekseyev Karrde,

    I don't do it manually, I'll have the whole Burn Jita downloaded with all kills, so a program will calculate the costs.
    So do we have a deal?
    2M for a Cata, 5M for a Brutix, 10M for a Talos and 20% value for every pod of any CFC member

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    Re: Re: Re: Burn Jita minicontract
    From: Alekseyev Karrde
    Sent: 2014.04.24 21:45
    To: Gevlon Goblin,

    I dont care to manually go through every podkill we get at the end of the weekend heh. Unless you'd like to do all the tallying? Then I'm fine with it

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    Re: Re: Burn Jita minicontract
    From: Gevlon Goblin
    Sent: 2014.04.23 15:13
    To: Alekseyev Karrde,

    I've ran the numbers on the pods and last year the average pod was 55M, so they worth hunting. My only fear is Goons figure out the bounty and then bait with empty pods. So my offer for pods is 1/5 kill value. If it's empty, I pay nothing, if it's this last year Burn Jita pod: https://zkillboard.com/detail/29947834/ I pay a lot, on average I'll pay 10M.

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    Re: Re: Burn Jita minicontract
    From: Gevlon Goblin
    Sent: 2014.04.23 04:17
    To: Alekseyev Karrde,

    All the CFC worth bounties.

    Hi, 5M/kill is great, but not for destroyers. How about 2M for Catalyst, 5M for Brutix, 10M for Talos. Unfortunately Trashers, Hurricanes and Tornadoes worth nothing since they shoot one volley only, when they go GCC. Jamming/killing them after that one volley does nothing.

    I'm planning to use ECM burst T1 frigs on destroyer blobs, that way the whole blob can be disabled and it's huge for killboard, but you need to go GCC as you ECM burst the freighter too.

    With EAF you can be suicide ganked too, by a SINGLE Thrasher, though a T1 EAF isn't expensive. Anyway, use what you find best. If you choose Scorpions to cover the gates/undock, I'm also ready to pay reimbursements if they suicide gank it (assuming platinum insurance and brick armor tank). Watch out for your pod though, those damn seboed thrashers can lock in 1 sec and in TiDi they have time to click!

    For CFC pods I need to check the 2013 data to know if they have anything of value in it (no point killing empty pods).


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    Re: Burn Jita minicontract
    From: Alekseyev Karrde
    Sent: 2014.04.23 02:41
    To: Gevlon Goblin,

    I'll accept a bounty contract on Goon suicide gankers but Scorps and BB's are a bit pedestrian for us. Much prefer to do things with EAF and be more mobile. But we do things a little differently as you know ;p

    How about 5m/kill, 10m for pods? GSF only or all participating CFC forces?

    -Aleks

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    Burn Jita minicontract
    From: Gevlon Goblin
    Sent: 2014.04.22 16:31
    To: Alekseyev Karrde,

    Hi,

    Would you be interested in a few days long mini-contract ruining the day of the Goons?
    The plan would be to NOT be at war with Goons, forming up in Scorpions and Blackbirds and jamming out Goon Taloses and Brutixes when they go GCC, spoiling their ganks.

    I can pay a fixed fee or after jammed Goons, as they die in 10 seconds to Concord, with you on the kill, see my test kill:
    GOBLIN'S BOUNTY CONTRACT

    As you can read for yourself, Goblin contacted me on April 22 to interfere with their ganks, shoot them after they went GCC, kill their pods, etc. He did not want us to war dec them and by offering us a bounty/perkill contract implied we were to get as many of them as possibly. Normally we don't accept pay-per-kill contracts from alts, but Goblin had hired us twice before and while being a bit weird and controlling never gave me reason to doubt his credit.

    He never mentioned anything about setting standings or otherwise working with anyone, either specifically or in general. There was no requirement that we could ONLY shoot the CFC that weekend, only that we DID shoot the CFC that weekend.

    And we shot them a lot. Before ganks at their safespots, during ganks, and after ganks popping pods we managed to participate in over 1900 kills against CFC, better than our performance last year on the same event. We became enough of a threat that they began suicide ganking our attack fleets instead of haulers, which by his own admission is more than can be said for Goblin's personal efforts.

    OUR PRIMARY CONTRACT

    So, why is Goblin so blind with rage that he would burn bridges and ruin his own reputation? Because on April 4th we accepted a contract to add whoever was war decing Goonswarm during the Burn Jita event to our usual CFC targets for that event. For the record, I checked to make sure our first employer would not have a problem with us pursuing CFC more vigorously to earn bounties from another employer (Goblin) and because that employer was not a manic conspiracy theorist he told us to go for it.

    When the weekend rolled around, it happened to include an alliance called Darwin's Lemmings, an alliance Gevlon founded but recently very publicly renounced ties with.

    Except I guess that was some sort of anti-CFC ruse, because he was very insistent after he'd already decided to break contract with us that they're "his forces."

    Re: Re: ???
    From: Gevlon Goblin
    Sent: 2014.04.26 13:14
    To: Alekseyev Karrde,

    You accepted a contract directly to defend Goons against my forces AND want my money? Go to hell!

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    Re: ???
    From: Alekseyev Karrde
    Sent: 2014.04.26 03:06
    To: Gevlon Goblin,

    Our contracts do not contradict. You wanted us to shoot the GSF flashers and we are. If you had asked us to dec them id have declined, as allying onto their wars during BJ was a contract we accepted about a month ago. THAT contract says nothing about disrupting their ganks once they go flash though.

    Everyone wins Except the people we kill, i guess.

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    ???
    From: Gevlon Goblin
    Sent: 2014.04.25 11:31
    To: Alekseyev Karrde,

    Hi,

    War: Darwins Lemmings vs. Goonswarm Federation
    War: The Marmite Collective vs. Goonswarm Federation

    I see you in both of the wars as ally to the Goons.
    What the hell is going on? We were negotiating a contract against Goons. I thought such double-crossing clients is bad for business. I really hope it was just an act of a rogue director.
    As you can see he also incorrectly assumes we were hired to defend Goons during the event. I'd say he hasn't looked at our killboard but apparently he has and has decided the 25 billion in ships and pods we destroyed was just an elaborate ploy to cover how much we were protecting them.

    I said he invented a story, I never said it was very good.

    As an aside, he has this idea that he's been paying us 12b a month for a while. Yeah, not so much. He also believes Goonswarm paid us, they continue to pay us to protect them (which we are doing a terrible job of by the way) and that it cost 35+b to "betray" him. If by betray he refers to our original employer for Burn/Save Jita 3, he has allowed me to disclose the cost of the Save/Burn Jita contract:

    2B for the weekend.

    SO WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?

    Well I'm not gonna lie, Noir. has done "Save" Jita every year since Burn Jita started. This year was going to be no exception whether Goblin wanted to hand out bounties or not. Did we work a bit harder maybe? Sure, but it wasnt exactly out of our way. So him being so upset and having his name dragged through the mud is almost punishment enough.

    Almost

    Unfortunately I believe very strongly that when a merc unit gets screwed over by an employer that should not go without some consequence. Noir. has helped a few units affected by this in the past and offered to help many others. Two times previous to this that it happened to us there was an appropriate response.

    The key word is appropriate. I'm not going to make hyperbolic threats like we'll run him out of the game or he'll regret blah blah blah.

    What we WILL do after FanFest, provided Goblin still has not paid (which I dont expect him to at this point) is take away the one achievement he's spent nearly 6 months and 150B ISK to attain: removing Goonswarm POCOs from highsec.

    We will take a break from shooting Goons in 0.0 with our friends Mordus and Black Legion just to spite Goblin by helping them. And then we'll go back to shooting them in 0.0 with our friends Mordus and Black Legion.

    Because we are MERCENARIES. And unless you actually PAY us, we could give a flying fuck about your conspiracy theories, your "side," or your ideology.

    Comments 11 Comments
    1. Tyrus Hughs's Avatar
      Tyrus Hughs -
      I like the part where butthurt ppl on reddit are crying because Noir. got paid to shoot everybody this year and not just goons.
    1. peterbob's Avatar
      peterbob -
      I like the part where NOIR posts a rebuttal on reddit and everyone agrees with Globber instead.

      When people start to side with one of the most hated EVE spergs, maybe it is time to take a step back and ask yourself if what you did was right.
    1. Pang's Avatar
      Pang -
      Leaking the details of gev's contract to the CFC before you even accepted it is not a mark of professionalism. If you thought it was important enough to make clear to the CFC that taking on both contracts wasn't a backstab, you should have done the same for gev and let him make up his own mind.

      I've hired Noir in the past but this is making me want to steer clear if I ever have a need for mercs again.
    1. Piraal's Avatar
      Piraal -
      I like the part that people got so butthurt that they created sock puppets to comment on the topic.
    1. Pang's Avatar
      Pang -
      Quote Originally Posted by Piraal View Post
      I like the part that people got so butthurt that they created sock puppets to comment on the topic.
      Nope. This is the first time I've seen Noir do something so dumb that I actually felt compelled to bother with the registration process, just so I could point it out.

      If it wasn't for this post I'd probably still be laughing at gev for being so butthurt after being outplayed by the CFC at his own money game. But incriminating yourself like this while trying to play the victim isn't doing Noir any favors.
    1. Piraal's Avatar
      Piraal -
      Quote Originally Posted by Pang View Post
      Stuff
      You mean, you felt compelled to post with a sockpuppet, but fail to grasp the relevance that a sockpuppet comment has when it comes to posting in eve.
    1. Pepizaur's Avatar
      Pepizaur -
      Looks like a stupid grey area to skip across on your part alek but hey, I dislike the guy intensely and had no problems taking his money to remove those POCOs and that tower.
    1. Terminus Calamity's Avatar
      Terminus Calamity -
      Quote Originally Posted by Pang View Post
      Leaking the details of gev's contract to the CFC before you even accepted it is not a mark of professionalism.
      Who said gev's contract details were leaked to CFC?
    1. Pang's Avatar
      Pang -
      Quote Originally Posted by Piraal View Post
      You mean, you felt compelled to post with a sockpuppet, but fail to grasp the relevance that a sockpuppet comment has when it comes to posting in eve.
      No previous account on board = sock puppet. otay

      Your shotgun approach to shilling is making you guys look more and more guilty.
    1. Pang's Avatar
      Pang -
      Quote Originally Posted by Terminus Calamity View Post
      Who said gev's contract details were leaked to CFC?
      Alek did.

      Quote Originally Posted by Alekseyev Karrde View Post
      For the record, I checked to make sure our first employer would not have a problem with us pursuing CFC more vigorously to earn bounties from another employer (Goblin) and because that employer was not a manic conspiracy theorist he told us to go for it.
    1. Piraal's Avatar
      Piraal -
      Quote Originally Posted by Pang View Post
      No previous account on board = sock puppet. otay
      What are you talking about... If you don't understand a term being used, just look it up on google or ask a friend or something. Evewho 'Pang' no result = Sockpuppet. Pretty much when you said "I've hired Noir in the past but this is making me want to steer clear", it was one of those cool story bro moments because 'Pang' is a sockpuppet.

      The fact that I had to explain common internet jargon to you is comical.
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